Turnill – his web site !
A collection of things that have shaped my life …
Margaret Teresa Turnill (née Rodgers)
A prefect – these were elected by the pupils and wore a braid around the edges of their uniforms. An interesting phenomenon whereby prominent – but popular – hooligans were given responsibility for managing the conduct of their juniors, often to the benefit of both! They could ‘award’ detentions and the names of the offenders were read out in the daily assembly. I fell foul of this as my brother (sensibly) chose not to read out his own surname, so I didn’t turn up!
Called ‘Beauty’ – and she was – but too boisterous for them, and had to be rehomed.
The Bevis family lived in the only proper ‘house’ (two storey, brick) in the road at that time.
About 40 metres away!
One road to the north of Green Lane, where Derwent, Margaret and family lived.
Written, apparently, on 4th January 1955!
The local paper, later the ‘Portsmouth News’. I would guess that this would have been placed by the shipping line in any case. The nationals also ran the story.
Mr & Mrs Sheldrake lived on the Highbury Estate in Portsmouth (see 52nd page).
This should read ‘Gaillardias’ – I think we called them ‘jam-tart’ plants.
Look at the date!! (misspelling is authentic…)
There was no ‘balcony’. At a guess she was describing the ‘verandah’ – a glazed lean-to on the back of the house.
I once attended one of these affairs with her. At some point the contestants paraded down the main aisle. Seated on the aisle, she rolled up sweet wrappers and flicked them at the girls’ bottoms as they passed …
George Money? Information required
20/9/1915 at St Thomas’ Church, Winchester – now converted into flats. Joan & David were born exactly a year later.
A now defunct department store, with several branches locally.
Almost certainly Hilsea Ordnance Depot, where Dick worked. Now the ‘News’ Offices, etc..
There was a Sister (“Butcher”) Bacon with a sinister reputation at the Royal, Portsmouth when I was in with a broken leg in 1965 – could this relate to her?
Richard would have been 11 at this time having started at the Southern Grammar School the previous September.
‘Mr Jeffreys’, who wore plus-fours and had a large handlebar moustache (think Jimmy Edwards), owned a garage in Highland Road, Eastney, almost at the junction with Henderson Road, where Joan lived. In the late fifties he lived in a large semi on the London Road close to the junction with Lovedean Lane. I wonder if they had met him at the Cowplain Social Club?
Wife of Henry, née ?, b 19/2/18??, m ?, d ?
Henry George Cooper, Ellen’s brother, b 27/12/1890, m ??, d ??
Presumably at Buriton, where Mrs Pegram, now Mrs Bonham-Carter, lived.
There were only 6 beds: a double, a double ‘Put-u-Up’ sofa, and a double ‘board’ which folded down from the wall in the living room. Presumably one shared with their Grandma…
Here are the boys with their mother …
This is the first section that appears to have been written in ball-point pen. It looks to have fared less well in 58 years (2011) than the more usual fountain pen ink.
“As fa” is crossed out.
New Year’s Day only became a Bank Holiday in 1974!
Peter Robert Turnill, third and youngest son of Joan, b 1/5/1947, m 19/10/1971
I have only recently recalled this event and remember being incarcerated in my own room behind a glass wall in the Portsmouth ‘Infectious Diseases Hospital’ (IDH) with the family, on a visit, tapping on the glass and waving. I don’t recall feeling distressed – or even ill – but I do remember a child in an adjacent cell (!) shouting repeatedly “Wanna go to poop!”
3 generations of Neals lived on 3 adjacent plots to the left of ‘Braeside’. The youngest later had a hairdresser’s shop in Petersfield
Roger Graham Turnill, second son of Joan, born 24/4/1944, died ??/6/1974
Roger on left with older brother Richard
Judith Vera? ? ? second child of Derwent & Margaret, b ?/10/1946, m ? div ? rem ?
Little more than a shed! The picture shows it in 1982 shortly before we demolished it. The house to the left was built by Joan and occupies half the plot they bought in 1952. They had about 2/3 of an acre of ground.
Victor Montague Turnill – my father
The Tanganyika Groundnut Scheme – £49 millions written off in January 1951.
Sounds like a Pekinese but I think Jill was a bulldog.
Algernon Lothian Bonham-Carter, b 1/1/1888, m 1914, div 1936, rem 1946, d 26/9/1957. ‘Lord of the Manor’ of Buriton.
Younger brother of Colonel Algernon Bonham Carter (see 28th page). See Wikipedia
Margaret Ianthe ? ? Hanson, first child of Derwent & Margaret, b ??/??/1942, m ????? d ??/??/2008? Ellen holds Ianthe – taken 1/3/43
Internet sources say this was March 8th
Richard Brian Turnill, first child of Joan & Victor, b 23/10/1942, d 12/1/1961. Douglas must have got lost somewhere.
Since this comes after ‘June 29th’ we must assume this should read ‘July 2nd’.
Motor Vehicle – foundation of his post-war career building trucks and tankers.
Her complement was 1,580.
Surely the ‘Prince of Wales’?
Daphne married Bimby Holt, a wealthy and successful Old Harrovian and sportsman (Rackets, Tennis & Cricket) in 1945 and they had 3 sons and 3 daughters and she was still alive in 2001, according to the report on the Daily Telegraph website (now subscribers only). In November 2020 I could only find the following, on the myheritage.com website …
Daphne Vivian Holt (born Pegram), 1925 – 1951
Daphne Vivian Holt (born Pegram) was born in 1925, to Admiral Frank Henderson D.S.O. Pegram and Rosalie Benoni Pegram and then Bonham-Carter (born Addison) Admiral was born on February 25 1890, in Liverpool, Lancashire, England. Rosalie was born on May 12 1901.
Daphne married Richard Anthony Appleby Holt in 1945, at age 20. Richard was born on March 11 1920, in Kensington, London, England. His occupations were Cricketer, Solicitor and chairman of the Hutchinson Publishing Group and School Master. They had one son: Christopher Holt.
Daphne passed away in After 1951 [sic], at age 26.
Roads Hill, a steep lane between Lovedean Lane and Catherington, more or less opposite the ‘Cottage’
Frank Henderson Pegram, b 25/2/1890, d 8/3/1944 in a Bristol hospital – see Wikipedia
Rosalie Benoni, née Addison, b South Africa 12/5/1901, m 1922, widowed 1944, rem 1946, d 22/1/1987
Middle East Force. See Wikipedia
They certainly did …
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This note is added in this position in a different ink from the rest of the page. Perhaps an afterthought? Here’s something from https://dalyhistory.wordpress.com
171 people were killed on the night of 10 and 11 January 1941. Portsmouth was chosen as a target that night as the rest of Britain was covered by thick cloud, and Portsmouth – on the coast – was the only readily identifiable target. German records show that 153 Bombers targeted Portsmouth. This compares drastically with the ‘1,000 Bomber’ raids launched by Bomber Command on Germany later in the war.
Many victims were unidentified due to their terrible injuries, and im some cases virtually nothing remained of their bodies. Hundreds of victims were buried in a mass funeral in Kingston Cemetery in the city. A memorial stands near to the site of their mass grave. Over 1,000 people died in Portsmouth as a result of Bombing during the Second World War. Many records state that 930 civilians were killed, but a number of servicemen were also killed whilst on leave or while on duty in the city. Just under 10% of the cities 63,000 houses were destroyed, and a similar number seriously damaged.
German records state that 40,000 4lb incendiary bombs were dropped on the city on that one night alone, as well as 140 tons of High Explosive. Many bombs did land in the sea – the Solent, and Portsmouth and Langstone Harbours. In 1940 Bombing from the air was not an exact science. The Bombers followed radio beams that interescted over Southsea Common. The incendicaries caused over 2,314 fires – far too many for beleagured emergency services to deal with at any one time, especially given that 60 water mains had been destroyed. The tide was also low, which prevented the Fire Brigade from pumping water from the sea.
47 people were killed when an air raid shelter at Arundel Street School suffered a direct hit. The power station was hit, and the main shopping centres at Commercial Road, Palmerston Road and Kings Road were all decimated. Also damaged were the Ear, Nose and Throat Hospital, the Hippodrome, Clarence Pier, three cinemas, the dockyard school, the Royal Sailors Rest Home, the Salvation Army Citadel, the Central Hotel and the Connaught Drill Hall. The FA Cup – won by Pompey in 1939 – was dug out of a Bank in Commercial Road, where it had been placed for safekeeping.
The most visible and symbolic material loss was the destruction of the Guildhall. ARP and emergency services battled fires in the building all night, but one 4lb incendiary bomb fell down a ventilation shaft and lodged itself in an inacessible place, proving impossible to extinguish. The Guildhall burnt all night and into the next day, the melting copper from the ornate dome dripping down to the ground. When the fires finally subsided only the outer walls remained. When the basement was dug out however the Lord Mayor’s chain and civic plate were found to be intact.
Whose father? Was Ellen’s father – unnamed in the book, but b 16/7/1860 – still alive? He seems to be in Aldershot, so maybe Dick’s? She later uses ‘Father’ to refer to Dick.
Could this be “St Aubyns”? This church in Copnor Road (less than a mile from Green Lane) suffered bomb damage but was rebuilt in 1956 and is now a listed building.
Could this be ‘Uncle Bill’ ? Possibly Margaret’s brother?
Nappoo – presumably dead – from WW1 song ‘Good-byee’. Thought to be soldiers’ slang in corrupted French: ‘Il n’y a plus’. As with Toodaloo from ‘tout à l’heure’. My grandfather had similarly corrupted Indian words in his vocabulary.
No. 1 Kingston Road Portsmouth. Now an Indian Restaurant.
David Richard James Cooper, was their eldest son and twin of Joan (see 15). 20/9/16 – ??/??/??
‘queer’ is used for ‘unwell’. ‘quiet’ should, perhaps read ‘quite’
Meredith Road PO2 at Hilsea in the north of Portsmouth
Air Raid Precautions
The Fords were also neighbours in Lovedean (see 1952) in the next shack, but they are not mentioned at that time. In the picture Mrs Ford is seated with her two daughters, a grandson and Dick Hanson. in Dick’s garden some time in the early ’70s.
Probably her daughter Amber Clodagh Joan Cooper Hanson, but possibly Lionel’s wife, also a Joan – although he would have been quite young at this time?
The ‘Clarence Gardens’ nearby in North End, still a Pub
The ‘Odeon’, North End, a striking Art Deco building opened in 1937, closed 2007
Rhoda Alfritha, another sister. Interesting names …
Henry George, her brother, who married Elsie Saunders (see ‘Family & Friends’).
Annie Aurelia I, her sister, married Mr Purvis (see next page). Whether ‘I’ was a name of itself or just an initial is not revealed on either page.
The ‘Bastion’ in Hilsea ramparts. In the ‘50s it was noted for a neon sign depicting a cannon which ‘fired’ a ball.
Review: “Lame-brained sarong epic brightened by state of the art special effects”
Possibly the wife of her elder brother Henry?
The whole of this page and the first section of page 2 seems to have been written on this day
Ellen’s husband Charles James Hanson, born 8/6/1895, died ??/??/?? He was said to have been nicknamed ‘Dick’ after a famous boxer of the day because of his success at boxing in the Army
Derwent George Cooper Hanson was their 3rd child, born 8/9/1918, and thus just 21 at the start of the war. Died ??/??/??
Lionel ? ? Cooper was the 4th and last child, born on 10/4/1922 and not registered at the start of the book
Older brother and sister, Joan and David (twins) are peeping round the door …
He had been a guest at their wedding. They named their next child (born 1918) after him.
Note Ellen’s greengrocer’s apostrophe! Henry and Elsie got married …
I can only guess that the ‘mother’ further down was the ‘in-law’. Mother was a quick worker: check Henry’s birthday and then look at the marriage certificate!
Henry’s school-leaving report – he was just 13, and he became a plumber.
Derwent was baptised in 1920, but born in 1918. Did she confuse the date with Lionel’s birth year (still not known).
Ellen as a little girl, all dressed up for the photograph. I wonder if the doll was the photographer’s prop?
His parents were obviously Liberal supporters! He continued the tradition by naming their son Thomas Ewart. The picture shows Thomas at 3 years and 8 months “with Sandy, Grandad’s dog”.
Named after Derwent Bavage (see opposite) who was killed in 1917. No mention here of her last child, Lionel, born ?????
Margaret Williams, born ??????,
died ??/??/?? daughter of a very tall Royal Marine
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